Have you tried the "Equipment Assembly Array" ?

I noticed if I'm tethered to a citadel, if I eject it still shows my name as being in the ship and stays tethered.

They will not be allowed.

We have just not implemented the restrictions yet.

CCP any chance we can get this hanger to also include capitals and not just supers us WH pilots would like a change of scenery every now and then to and Christ dreads are bigger than supers lore wise wouldn't they also need the bigger bay? and dont even get me started on the FAX

Why?
Do they not work in Highsec?
Or do they not any Damage to a Battleship for example, when it is webbed, maybe doubble webbed?

It's possible to use the DD from a titan close to a keepstar then dock instantly, you might want to look into that CCP...

It's this a bad thing? From what I understand citadels ate just meant to give defenders an advantage not outright defend themselves.

Sorry was to lazy to look back and find the rest of this convo

I suspect there will be no auto-aggression. Citadels work just like ships in many ways. Giant ships that can't move and have some unique features around repairing and vulnerability, but otherwise similar to ships which also don't auto-aggress with nobody in them. Which I'm fine with. It actually doesn't take much time to train a toon to level 4 for all citadel and fighter skills - about 60 days. It's getting things to level 5 that'll be the big PITA. It's cool to have a young character controlling 30 to 40 thousand DPS and millions of HP.

Currently the only option to deploy a citadel is to "launch for corp" which requires some roles most CEOs won't be willing to give out. Will there be a "launch for self" option so that personal citadels can exist without an alt corp in the alliance?

IDK a pos can alot of times be worth far more than that and they ate easier to siege

Tax is in isk not minerals

This is bad for both parties as it works of the EST value and that does not accurately reflect the market so maybe i tax 5% depending on the market it may actually be 6% or 4% and constantly changing taxes are not a good thing. Now with minerals 5% of the trit in veld is always 5% of the trit

at the very least let the owner chose how the tax is pulled if not keep it minerals

They should be, if not, they will be.

no if there is no epicenter its not a shattered hole

... you make the profile?

not to mention that with fleet support the capital launchers do right around the same(sometimes more) dps to subcaps

Missile launchers are working again, thanks. Still cannot activate Standum Scrams while invulnerable, however. I assume that's deliberate?

... its the same with POS towers now they would have to slow boat

I would still like to understand the design intent behind this.

24 hours is deliberate, to allow people time to respond without having to be online every minute of the day. If you could put one up in 1 hour, it would be trivial to create them through enemy space and make them then spend several days to kill each one along with losing ships to deference, and the risk that every single one is a trap.

Do you know if it's just scrams or all e-war?

Except when s pos goes up you can take it down in two days. It can take over a week to take down a citadel

Apples and oranges

also i was not talking about the RF timers i was talking about the invulnerably timer. I could have to wait a week for that to come out of invuln

yes which is why the 24hr timer is needed its going to be hard to react if someone puts them up in your off hours with only 2-8hrs of warning
but really where is the post where they changed how the RF timers worked

Missile launchers are working again, thanks. Still cannot activate Standum Scrams while invulnerable, however. I assume that's deliberate?

I think the number of the moving lights on the citadels could be reduced.
I find they make it a bit fuzzy looking when all lit up. Don't get me wrong I think they add a feeling of life to the structure, but it may be a bit of overkill ...im just looking at the keepstar right now, I have put up the other ones and would say the same on those.
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Yes, this is deliberate. It should be the ONLY module though that requires the Citadel to be vulnerable to use.

also ccp can you tell us if docking fees are going to be added?


there really is not much reason do to how compression is handled to open up a citadel to the public and thats a huge limit to their potential

Anchoring will stay at 24h for initial release.

like i said b4 considering if you miss the anchor timer coming out you have to deal with an enemy citadel in your system for up to a week b4 you can do anything about it 24hr is thee minimum the timer can be

24 hours is reasonable. It's long enough to create risk for the group deploying it in any location and long enough for the locals to plan on defending their space and contesting the deployment. It will bring fights I'm sure, and it should.

24 hours is reasonable. Citadels are hard to kill and take a minimum amount of time to destroy once they are deployed. This will benefit the owner greatly. After the 24 hour timer the Citadel will be vulnerable to attack with only hull HP. Anyone contesting the deployment of this Citadel has that window of opportunity to make their move. A quicker invulnerability time would hurt the people who would contest and greatly favor the group deploying it. There would be less risk owning the structure.

24 hours is reasonable. The risk is adequately balanced at 24 hours.

24 hours is reasonable.

You are failing to understand because you are not taking the time to read about the updates and know the context.

1. Citadels themselves will not replaces POS's. They are only the first step towards phasing out POS's. The variety of structures that will be released in the next year or two will work towards phasing POS's out. At that point we will start seeing POS's phase out completely.

2. When a Citadel is deployed (regardless of it's size) it takes 24 hours to anchor. During this entire 24 hours it is invulnerable to attack. You will not need a 24 hour around the clock fleet to defend it.

3. Once the 24 hour anchor time is complete it will then enter a vulnerable mode and can be attacked. This is when you would need to defend it if you wanted to guarantee deployment.

4. Citadels have a specific length of time it is vulnerable for depending on where it is trying to be anchored. High-sec and Null-Sec (with full indexes) will be vulnerable for 15 minutes if not attacked. Low-sec and Wormhole space will be vulnerable for 30 minutes. Finally, Null-set (with no index) 60 minutes. If it is attacked you need to stop the aggression and once stopped the repair timer will start back from 0s.

5. Damage mitigation. Each structure has a cap on the amount of DPS that can be applied to it over a specific time frame. Any damage being applied over the cap is reduced significantly or negated. This is to keep the "big guys" in "big ships" from "popping" structures. Anyone who attacks the structure will be committed to the field for a certain amount of time regardless of ship type, size, dps. This benefits the "little guys" deploying "little structures" from getting rekt.

In the dev blog they gave the example of damage mitigation with a max of 4,000 DPS over a 30 second period. That means you can only do 120,000 damage to the citadel in a 30 second period. Currently on the test server the medium Citadel has 7,200,000 HP on hull.

With the example damage mitigation, 7200000 hp / 4000 dps = 1800 seconds / 60 = 30 minutes to destroy.

If anyone was wanting to blob the hell out of a medium citadel after the 24 hour invulnerability time, they would only be able to apply 4000 DPS and they'd have to stay on field applying damage for 30 minutes. If they bring less ships, they'll be there longer.

Your fears are invalid, small citadels will still be hard to destroy at all stages including initial anchoring. 24 hours is reasonable.

Here is the dev blog: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/citadels-sieges-and-you-v2/
Inform yourself.

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How are we supposed to build large and xl -citadels in Low-class wormholes ?
it was mentioned that will be possible -
but as i-¦m told there is no POS-array that let-¦s you build any of the structure components let alone the citadel and given the volume of those components flying them inside low-class womrholes is out of the question because no ship with enough cargo space can pass any of the connections those wh-¦s have.

A clarification of this would be appreciated.

Oh PLEASE... CCP you can do it!

I think the speeds may be OK,

not ok at all if it takes a solid minute for damage to apply by that time the ship will have already died if there is a defending fleet and the citadel alone does not do enough damage to kill a subcap by itself other then shooting battleships with capital missiles which do full damage with webs and painters =/
also fighters will get shot down before they get in range 100% of the time they are just too slow

so are trade hubs going to be off limits for citadels


currently you get an error telling you they can not be placed in such systems

i agree with the trade hub but whats wrong with the gate?

is it the EAA that is also used to build the components or is that the CAA?

q.q why do you torment me I just want to know what array builds those parts

... expecting some one to have to guard these for well over 24hrs is a bit much

they are suposed to be hard to put up in some one else's space not impossible

Am I missing something or is there no direct trading available in citadels? By intent or just a bug?

These things are more expensive and in many ways more limited to a pos their only real advantage is they are going to be hard to kill and that's the point